Share your feedback on the AI services experiment in Nightly

[asafko]

Hi folks, 

In the next few days, we will start the Nightly experiment which provides easy access to AI services from the sidebar. This functionality is entirely optional, and it’s there to see if it’s a helpful addition to Firefox. It is not built into any core functionality and needs to be turned on by you to see it. 

If you want to try the experiment, activate it via Nightly Settings > Firefox Labs (please see full instructions here). 

We’d love to hear your feedback once you try out the feature, and we’re open to all your ideas and thoughts, whether it’s small tweaks to the current experience or big, creative suggestions that could boost your productivity and make accessing your favorite tools and services in Firefox even easier.

Thanks so much for helping us improve Firefox!

[Jon]

Hey community,

Jumping in here real quick. We appreciate the feedback and activity in this thread, even (and often especially) when we're not in agreement, but please remember the Community Guidelines when posting to Connect. Be kind and show respect when sharing constructive criticism - this helps our discussions stay as productive as possible.

Hope this helps and feel free to let me know if you have any questions.

[feoh]

Hi Jon! Thanks for that. I agree that keeping the discourse civil and constructive is super important, and I do have a couple of questions which are intended to be helpful and illustrative for the folks who aren't holding torches and pitchforks 🙂

- How does this fit with Mozilla and Firefox's core values around consumer / user privacy?
- Might adding the option to at least use local LLMs running on the user's own machine help?

Thanks for providing this forum. Having a place to post feedback is indeed very helpful.

[Drewbahr]

Please, instead of considering your feelings, consider the resounding negative reception of this terrible idea. This is an instructive moment for you and your company.

[Ceropegiosity]

Tell us that you are synthesising a Frankenstein's monster and the villagers will bring out their pitchforks and torches. People have died from using "AI" generated foraging "books". The more this sad mimicry of human art and science is given credence by unthinking commercialisation, the more people will die. Either directly from lethal misinformation or from isolation from real human contact as the internet fills with fakery. It is already difficult to find real websites among the fakes.

[vincentj]

@JonMozilla has been showing disdain to the Firefox community for ages.  Firefox keeps rolling out hated changes and ignoring community feedback, and top-voted ideas have been ignored and unanswered for years at this point.

It's no surprise that you're getting disrespectful responses when Mozilla has been disrespecting our feedback for so long.  If you want healthy discussions, you can start by actually listening to our feedback and fixing the things that WE have been saying for years.

You won't get civility by enforcing community guidelines; you will get it by rebuilding your relationship with the community, and that starts by LISTENING and ACTING on our feedback.

[MaxwellM]

All modern AI services are made possible through the violation of user privacy and the theft of user data. I switched to Firefox because it promised to actually protect my privacy compared to the likes of Google. So if Mozilla betrays that promise by insisting on making AI part of Firefox, I will find another browser that can be counted on to actually honor its promises to protect user privacy.

[Tae]

Please no!

[geodudette]

I use Firefox every day and I do not want AI to have any part in it.

[LizSheIz]

Please don't. Firefox works to show me web pages and that's really, truly all I want from it!

[LizTheGM]

Not just no but HELL no.  Get that harmful, dangerous, forest-burning, water-guzzling, disinformation-machine crap outta here.

[cuppamoon]

NO

[Silentfox]

Please don't add AI.

[sequentialkady]

Take your climate-raping, planet trashing AI and piss-off out of the solar system deep into the interstellar medium.

[vulpes]

Please rescind

[Internet]

NO AI KILL AI NOW

[emmatonkss]

I hate AI, and I dont want it added to the optional features. This hurts anyone who makes nice stuff for a living, i dont want your drivel

[captPickerd]

I would prefer this not be part of my Firefox experience. I've been a long-time Firefox user because I appreciate user privacy. Everything about AI goes against this and I will look elsewhere if this is the direction that Mozilla want to take this project.   

[draconicrose]

I do not want this, because of all the reasons already mentioned. I don't care that it's opt-in and optional. I am fundamentally against supporting the development of LLMs in any way, shape, or form. I am against Mozilla spending development resources on this fad.

I've already cancelled my monthly donation. If this "feature" reaches stable, I will be switching browsers.

[feoh]

As currently implemented I think it is opt-in as you have to pick an AI vendor in order for the chat tab to work, and at least right now, you have to enable that feature in Firefox Labs.

[Drewbahr]

Just, no. Please, don't do this. Don't burn down a forest for a **bleep**ty chatbot.

[kelpkelp]

NO! HARD NO! DO NOT PUT AI IN YOUR PRODUCT!!! I USE FIREFOX BECAUSE IT'S GOOD, NOT BECAUSE IT CAN SHOVEL STOLEN MUSH DOWN MY THROAT! WHAT KIND OF PRIVACY FOCUSED PRODUCT IS BUILT ON THE THEFT MACHINE? NO AI EVER!!!!!!!!!

[Paperbag]

Hi, Mozilla.

Please do not do this. Please do not make the same mistake that every other big company is doing now. Please consider your userbase and realize that none of us want this.

Thanks.

[Rosaeve]

I am sick and tired of AI being shoved in my face at every step. I don't want it, I'll never want it. I switched to firefox because it was against so many of google's dumb ideas and now you're trying to insert the dumbest one. Don't do this, scrap this now

[anto]

Generative AI is an unethical copyright-violating plague and its use should not be facilitated or encouraged.

[pavlovsPigeon]

Please don't add any AI nonsense.

[cerah]

Please do not add an AI related functionality. Surely there are better ways to use the resources taken up by developing AI integration.

[shabnak]

Please no

[chantolove]

Hi, I heard this is where we could submit thoughts on the AI thing? I really don't want this introduced to Firefox, it's less than useless and will really slow down my browser. There's no real reason to force a silly chatbot into services that don't need it 😞

[LakeMichigan]

Firefox is the one browser that's not overflowing with this garbage please don't ruin it too.

[vexallus]

No.

Do not add some unethical data scraping LLM to firefox. I'm with the others that this contradicts the mozilla manifesto. It's not just about what the company of the model says they'll do with the chat user's data, it's also about how they trained their model in the first place, how invasive that is, not to mention the environmental impact and inflation of the pc parts market things like AI and crypto have done. Just stop. FF is the last mainstream browser that doesn't have AI. If people want to use it on FF, there are extensions and search engines they can use. Jfc.

[Eden]

Quite simply, if Firefox pushes AI into the browser, ESPECIALLY if it's opt-out rather than opt-in, I will be using a different browser and will not come back to Firefox. Period.

[DRMT]

Another strong NO

[Anonymous]

Hey Firefox, how about instead, you commit to having no AI integration at all and advertise yourselves as the non-AI browser alternative for all the people trying to avoid this stuff. If people want AI, they'll find an extension for that, you don't need to be building it into your product, optional or otherwise.

[TZ]

Go away with the AI bs. If I wanted stupid chat bots I'd use chrome.

[hyperdragon97]

Please don't add AI to Firefox. Have we learned nothing from the absolute nightmare of outright lethal misinformation that is ChatGPT?

[Tombfyre]

To keep it simple, I want no "AI" nonsense in this browser.

I also want no tracking, no advertisements, no anything that messes with my privacy just so yet another megacorp can monitor everything we do and make money off the information.

[mazzzo]

AI is useless, it uses up precious resources we don't have. I will absolutely dump firefox if you do this.

[afbourque]

GOOGLE put AI in everything and it ruined their once useful Thing They Did, now you guys want to COMPETE WITH GOOGLE by DOING WHAT GOOGLE DID????

Stop it. There are some useful applications for AI. Popping it on the search bar ain't it. Having it scour the internet (often illegally) for incorrect things to tell you SUCKS. Stop it.

Do I have to treat you like a cat? Do i have to get the internet equivalent of a spray bottle on you until ya'll behave? Or do we have to do something more drastic?

[pjasa-pratt]

Short answer: no.

Long answer: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Llammissar]

Sincerely, who is this for?

All these frivolous chatbot things can be accessed from a browser tab.  Firefox has been a tabbed browser since its inception.  Since before then, if we're being honest, even back when it was called Mozilla and had the fun dinosaur logo.

Consequently, this is a misfeature, if not missing the point entirely.  An arbitrary split pane that lets one pin a website while still browsing regularly would be a MUCH more valuable use of your engineering time than just a limited version that gives easy access to a source of lies.

Or if you really want to improve things, bring back spatial tab groups a la Panorama (you know, that amazing feature that you never advertised, booted to an XUL extension, and then killed by moving to WebExtensions-only).  You could even advertise it as a new feature and only about a dozen people like me would even realise you were lying.

You know, unlike this thing where everyone can tell you're trying to feed us breathelss marketing wank.